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		<title>By: K.J. Webb</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/29/the-only-truth-is-natural/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>K.J. Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I was kind of flattered that, unless my poor old eyes deceive me, John seems to kind of agree with my editorial comments - those offending phrases are now gone!  

I'm with the Greeks.  They had a word ("agon") to describe all that they thought made us most human.  You could translate that word as "struggle" or "strive" or even "compete" - strive for excellence in anything that man does and that animals don't do.   Along came the Middle Ages and that sort of stuff was supposed to be verboten.  We were to suppress those impulses and submit to God's will - to divest ourselves of our puny little egos, as John puts it.  This new idea that came in with Christianity (and far earlier in other cultures) is powerful and deserves respect.  In the West it comes into the Romantic Tradition without its Christian baggage.  Some of the most powerful poetry of William Wordsworth draws on it:

"The eye it cannot chuse but see,
We cannot bid the ear be still;
Our bodies feel, where'er they be,
Against or with our will.

Nor less I deem that there are powers,
Which of themselves our minds impress,
That we can feed this mind of ours, 
In a wise passiveness.

Think you, 'mid all lthis mighty sum
Of things forever speaking,
That nothing of itself will come,
But we must still be seeking?

--Then ask not wherefore, here, alone,
Conversing as I may,
I sit upon this old grey stone,
And dream my time away."

There's more to Wordsworth than this, but you see what I mean.

I'm with the Greeks. I understand the impulse to kick back and get out of the way of the universe, which doesn't care much about us.  You could call that "wise passiveness".  You could also call it submitting to the inhuman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I was kind of flattered that, unless my poor old eyes deceive me, John seems to kind of agree with my editorial comments - those offending phrases are now gone!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with the Greeks.  They had a word (&#8221;agon&#8221;) to describe all that they thought made us most human.  You could translate that word as &#8220;struggle&#8221; or &#8220;strive&#8221; or even &#8220;compete&#8221; - strive for excellence in anything that man does and that animals don&#8217;t do.   Along came the Middle Ages and that sort of stuff was supposed to be verboten.  We were to suppress those impulses and submit to God&#8217;s will - to divest ourselves of our puny little egos, as John puts it.  This new idea that came in with Christianity (and far earlier in other cultures) is powerful and deserves respect.  In the West it comes into the Romantic Tradition without its Christian baggage.  Some of the most powerful poetry of William Wordsworth draws on it:</p>
<p>&#8220;The eye it cannot chuse but see,<br />
We cannot bid the ear be still;<br />
Our bodies feel, where&#8217;er they be,<br />
Against or with our will.</p>
<p>Nor less I deem that there are powers,<br />
Which of themselves our minds impress,<br />
That we can feed this mind of ours,<br />
In a wise passiveness.</p>
<p>Think you, &#8216;mid all lthis mighty sum<br />
Of things forever speaking,<br />
That nothing of itself will come,<br />
But we must still be seeking?</p>
<p>&#8211;Then ask not wherefore, here, alone,<br />
Conversing as I may,<br />
I sit upon this old grey stone,<br />
And dream my time away.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more to Wordsworth than this, but you see what I mean.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with the Greeks. I understand the impulse to kick back and get out of the way of the universe, which doesn&#8217;t care much about us.  You could call that &#8220;wise passiveness&#8221;.  You could also call it submitting to the inhuman.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmel</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/29/the-only-truth-is-natural/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there's a time to 'struggle' and a time not to struggle. The trick is in knowing the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a time to &#8217;struggle&#8217; and a time not to struggle. The trick is in knowing the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gravel</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/29/the-only-truth-is-natural/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gravel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Why should it be different?" Because hopefully, as we age and become more &lt;em&gt;"knowledgeable" &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;"mature", &lt;/em&gt;we see that the instructions were there for a reason. Maybe half of the bumps and bruises we carry would have/could have been prevented, if we just followed the instructions instead of stomping them underfoot. But the past is what it is and thankfully, new instructions arrive daily.
As far as "stopping our struggling"...Do you really, REALLY think that ceasing to struggle marks the end??? ONLY by stopping our struggling can we truly be. Can we truly see. Can we truly hear, taste, feel, smell. When the struggling ends, only then can we find true peace. I'm with John. Rock on my man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why should it be different?&#8221; Because hopefully, as we age and become more <em>&#8220;knowledgeable&#8221; </em>and <em>&#8220;mature&#8221;, </em>we see that the instructions were there for a reason. Maybe half of the bumps and bruises we carry would have/could have been prevented, if we just followed the instructions instead of stomping them underfoot. But the past is what it is and thankfully, new instructions arrive daily.<br />
As far as &#8220;stopping our struggling&#8221;&#8230;Do you really, REALLY think that ceasing to struggle marks the end??? ONLY by stopping our struggling can we truly be. Can we truly see. Can we truly hear, taste, feel, smell. When the struggling ends, only then can we find true peace. I&#8217;m with John. Rock on my man.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gravel</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/29/the-only-truth-is-natural/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gravel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toss the cushion-Keep the chair...(maybe there's a bumpersticker in that...) Don't we have enough "cushions"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toss the cushion-Keep the chair&#8230;(maybe there&#8217;s a bumpersticker in that&#8230;) Don&#8217;t we have enough &#8220;cushions&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: K.J. Webb</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/29/the-only-truth-is-natural/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>K.J. Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a sweet little post, my friend.  But "stop stuggling"?   Never!  If we stop struggling, we're done for.  And "obvious instructions"?  No, there are none.  If there were, we wouldn't want to follow them.  You and I always wanted to kick those instructions in the teeth when we were young.  Why should it be different now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a sweet little post, my friend.  But &#8220;stop stuggling&#8221;?   Never!  If we stop struggling, we&#8217;re done for.  And &#8220;obvious instructions&#8221;?  No, there are none.  If there were, we wouldn&#8217;t want to follow them.  You and I always wanted to kick those instructions in the teeth when we were young.  Why should it be different now?</p>
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