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		<title>By: Carmel</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/16/enlightenment-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ, I've been called 'Carmen' so often I've taken to carrying a rose in my teeth.

Do take Number 6's advice and get involved in making music. Perhaps you could try this:  http://tinyurl.com/4djj6f

I'm sure they don't all meet in churches :-)  Though, interestingly, my Monday group meets in a hall beneath the tiny Pilgrim Church in Bardon, Brisbane. They charge us almost nothing. Margret RoadKnight is about as irreligious as it's possible to be, but she nevertheless loves gospel music and this constitutes a good part of our repertoire.

If anyone's interested in hearing Margret R ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giM_b1FkURc  (an old clip, but her voice and energy are undiminished)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJ, I&#8217;ve been called &#8216;Carmen&#8217; so often I&#8217;ve taken to carrying a rose in my teeth.</p>
<p>Do take Number 6&#8217;s advice and get involved in making music. Perhaps you could try this:  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4djj6f" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4djj6f</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they don&#8217;t all meet in churches <img src='http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Though, interestingly, my Monday group meets in a hall beneath the tiny Pilgrim Church in Bardon, Brisbane. They charge us almost nothing. Margret RoadKnight is about as irreligious as it&#8217;s possible to be, but she nevertheless loves gospel music and this constitutes a good part of our repertoire.</p>
<p>If anyone&#8217;s interested in hearing Margret R &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giM_b1FkURc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giM_b1FkURc</a>  (an old clip, but her voice and energy are undiminished)</p>
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		<title>By: Number 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like negative early childhood imprinting creating bad associations with music.
all the more reason to take my above advice, and do so immediately.
fight fire with fire!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like negative early childhood imprinting creating bad associations with music.<br />
all the more reason to take my above advice, and do so immediately.<br />
fight fire with fire!</p>
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		<title>By: K.J. Webb</title>
		<link>http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/2008/06/16/enlightenment-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>K.J. Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the screw-up of your name, my dear C.  I must have been free-associating you with a certain femme fatale of Opera, given that the subject was music.  

In light of your further thoughts, and upon re-reading Number 6, I'll up my semi-reluctant applause level to 2-3/4ths cheers!  

The only singing I ever did was croaking out "Onward, Christian Soldiers!" and suchlike on Sunday mornings.  I remember the preacher saying in an uncharacteristic witticism that we ought to bellow out those good old hymns to spite the devil.  "We can't let old Nick have all the best tunes!"  Christianity - and all the great faiths - have known and used the power of music.  Maybe that's one of the reasons I resist it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the screw-up of your name, my dear C.  I must have been free-associating you with a certain femme fatale of Opera, given that the subject was music.  </p>
<p>In light of your further thoughts, and upon re-reading Number 6, I&#8217;ll up my semi-reluctant applause level to 2-3/4ths cheers!  </p>
<p>The only singing I ever did was croaking out &#8220;Onward, Christian Soldiers!&#8221; and suchlike on Sunday mornings.  I remember the preacher saying in an uncharacteristic witticism that we ought to bellow out those good old hymns to spite the devil.  &#8220;We can&#8217;t let old Nick have all the best tunes!&#8221;  Christianity - and all the great faiths - have known and used the power of music.  Maybe that&#8217;s one of the reasons I resist it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I've been singing since I was a child. This certainly wasn't because of a happy childhood. But I FELT happy when I sang. I think it got me through a difficult childhood. 

In more recent years life has been very difficult. I realised I hadn't sung for a number of years. I started going to those Monday night sessions and have to say it made an ENORMOUS difference to my outlook on life and my ability to handle stressful circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;ve been singing since I was a child. This certainly wasn&#8217;t because of a happy childhood. But I FELT happy when I sang. I think it got me through a difficult childhood. </p>
<p>In more recent years life has been very difficult. I realised I hadn&#8217;t sung for a number of years. I started going to those Monday night sessions and have to say it made an ENORMOUS difference to my outlook on life and my ability to handle stressful circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about mistaken identity ... you've even got my name wrong :-)  Americans, I've noticed, have problems with 'Carmel' as a christian name.

You make a lot of good points. And of course, everyone who likes music is not sweet of disposition. There's a difference between liking music and making music, but as you point out ... not everyone who makes music is sweet of disposition either.

However, in general, my experience has shown that music has a positive effect on most. I'll mention some examples from my own experience.

Years ago I used to teach music in a small school. The teachers all said that when the children came back to their class they were better behaved, more alert, and performed their other lessons better. (Hmm ... it could be argued that it was contact that the sweetly dispositioned Carmel that did it :-)

For over 20 years I've been attending the Woodford Folk Festival. It has grown very large, and extends over 5 days and nights. Alcohol is served onsite. People of all kinds and ages and colours attend the festival. In all that time I've never seen one person drunk and disorderly. Nor have I seen one person get angry at having to wait on long queues. The children don't even cry. This despite stinking hot weather, or tropical downpours. How much influence this has on the rest of attendees' lives I can't say.

For a number of years I've been attending a Monday-evening singing session with a group of about 20 people, led by the wonderful Margret RoadKnight. There's nothing formal about the group, no performances, no concern with making mistakes, no annoyance at the people who sing offkey. The camaraderie which has developed within this group is amazing. Recently Margret returned to her home state (Victoria). I thought the group would disband, but it didn't. There was determination to keep going ... clearly the feeling within the group was as important as the singing itself. 

As Margret is fond of saying, "When you're happy, sing. When you're sad, sing louder."

It's possible that the act of making music together, as opposed to solo performance, has the sweetening effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about mistaken identity &#8230; you&#8217;ve even got my name wrong <img src='http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Americans, I&#8217;ve noticed, have problems with &#8216;Carmel&#8217; as a christian name.</p>
<p>You make a lot of good points. And of course, everyone who likes music is not sweet of disposition. There&#8217;s a difference between liking music and making music, but as you point out &#8230; not everyone who makes music is sweet of disposition either.</p>
<p>However, in general, my experience has shown that music has a positive effect on most. I&#8217;ll mention some examples from my own experience.</p>
<p>Years ago I used to teach music in a small school. The teachers all said that when the children came back to their class they were better behaved, more alert, and performed their other lessons better. (Hmm &#8230; it could be argued that it was contact that the sweetly dispositioned Carmel that did it <img src='http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
For over 20 years I&#8217;ve been attending the Woodford Folk Festival. It has grown very large, and extends over 5 days and nights. Alcohol is served onsite. People of all kinds and ages and colours attend the festival. In all that time I&#8217;ve never seen one person drunk and disorderly. Nor have I seen one person get angry at having to wait on long queues. The children don&#8217;t even cry. This despite stinking hot weather, or tropical downpours. How much influence this has on the rest of attendees&#8217; lives I can&#8217;t say.</p>
<p>For a number of years I&#8217;ve been attending a Monday-evening singing session with a group of about 20 people, led by the wonderful Margret RoadKnight. There&#8217;s nothing formal about the group, no performances, no concern with making mistakes, no annoyance at the people who sing offkey. The camaraderie which has developed within this group is amazing. Recently Margret returned to her home state (Victoria). I thought the group would disband, but it didn&#8217;t. There was determination to keep going &#8230; clearly the feeling within the group was as important as the singing itself. </p>
<p>As Margret is fond of saying, &#8220;When you&#8217;re happy, sing. When you&#8217;re sad, sing louder.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that the act of making music together, as opposed to solo performance, has the sweetening effect.</p>
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		<title>By: K.J. Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.J. Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A deep question for philosophers - does the sweetness precede the music or the music the sweetness?  Or are sweetness and music correlatives of one another?  --I'm gonna stick with my characterization of the Carmen who shows up in words apart from Carmen the music maker.  (Pardon my presumption!)

On this matter of music's benign influence, remember that the guards at Auschwitz loved their Beethoven and Schubert.  They weren't otherwise notably sweet guys.  Come to think of it, much of Beethoven could hardly be called sweet.  The man himself was damn near inhuman. The last quartets are about as harsh, astringent and unwhistleable as 19th century music can get. That sort of stuff appeals to a guy like me with a taste for edge and irony.  It doesn't sweeten my disposition, but it does seem in some tangential way to be "true".  So I'll give, if not three cheers, then two and a half cheers for the glories of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A deep question for philosophers - does the sweetness precede the music or the music the sweetness?  Or are sweetness and music correlatives of one another?  &#8211;I&#8217;m gonna stick with my characterization of the Carmen who shows up in words apart from Carmen the music maker.  (Pardon my presumption!)</p>
<p>On this matter of music&#8217;s benign influence, remember that the guards at Auschwitz loved their Beethoven and Schubert.  They weren&#8217;t otherwise notably sweet guys.  Come to think of it, much of Beethoven could hardly be called sweet.  The man himself was damn near inhuman. The last quartets are about as harsh, astringent and unwhistleable as 19th century music can get. That sort of stuff appeals to a guy like me with a taste for edge and irony.  It doesn&#8217;t sweeten my disposition, but it does seem in some tangential way to be &#8220;true&#8221;.  So I&#8217;ll give, if not three cheers, then two and a half cheers for the glories of music.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er ... what sweetness of disposition would that be? The one that envelops me after making music? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er &#8230; what sweetness of disposition would that be? The one that envelops me after making music? <img src='http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Number 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then quit yer whinin' and DO SO! :-)
it really is just that easy (even though you seem to want to stubbornly insist otherwise...).
suggestion: go get yourself an instrument, ANY instrument, and START MAKING SOME NOISE! don't care so much what it sounds like, the important thing is what it FEELS like (and it's not necessarily all about feeling "good" as it is about being ruthlessly GENUINE to your True Deep Self; all emotions, good, bad and ugly (*especially* "ugly" - those are the ones that need it the most, and that music has the greatest power to transmute)). you don't need "training" or any of that over-thinking bullshit, just DO IT. you might surprise yourself...
get a guitar and teach yourself 2 chords. get a synthesizer and make Far Out Space Noizes. bang away on a piano, beat on some drums...
(and no lame excuses about disturbing spouses and neighbors, that's what headphones are for - just GO FOR IT!)

come on in, the water's fine!....


"Don't think, feel. Trust your instincts."
-Qui-Gon Jinn, "Star Wars Ep. 1 - The Phantom Menace"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then quit yer whinin&#8217; and DO SO! <img src='http://jhfarr.com/farrfeed/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> it really is just that easy (even though you seem to want to stubbornly insist otherwise&#8230;).<br />
suggestion: go get yourself an instrument, ANY instrument, and START MAKING SOME NOISE! don&#8217;t care so much what it sounds like, the important thing is what it FEELS like (and it&#8217;s not necessarily all about feeling &#8220;good&#8221; as it is about being ruthlessly GENUINE to your True Deep Self; all emotions, good, bad and ugly (*especially* &#8220;ugly&#8221; - those are the ones that need it the most, and that music has the greatest power to transmute)). you don&#8217;t need &#8220;training&#8221; or any of that over-thinking bullshit, just DO IT. you might surprise yourself&#8230;<br />
get a guitar and teach yourself 2 chords. get a synthesizer and make Far Out Space Noizes. bang away on a piano, beat on some drums&#8230;<br />
(and no lame excuses about disturbing spouses and neighbors, that&#8217;s what headphones are for - just GO FOR IT!)</p>
<p>come on in, the water&#8217;s fine!&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t think, feel. Trust your instincts.&#8221;<br />
-Qui-Gon Jinn, &#8220;Star Wars Ep. 1 - The Phantom Menace&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: K.J. Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.J. Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carmel, your sweetness of disposition makes me want to believe it could be so.  Number 6, you're a living breathing Twilight Zone.  It would be fun to live there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmel, your sweetness of disposition makes me want to believe it could be so.  Number 6, you&#8217;re a living breathing Twilight Zone.  It would be fun to live there.</p>
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		<title>By: Number 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right on carmel! one must understand the unique magic that is music, and sets it apart from all other "static" art forms (painting, writing, etc) - music ONLY exists in Real Time; it is a process, not an object, that tunes us into the flow and rhythm of the Universe.

Vangelis (Blade Runner, Chariots of Fire, etc etc etc) often says that all music already exists in the memory of the Universe, and by playing it we are really just remembering it, acting as a conduit for it.

or as Dieter Meier (of the Swiss electronic duo Yello) put it:

"The Big Bang.
The ultimate hero of low frequency.
The divine intergalactical bass drum connecting the tribes of our solar system.
If we could communicate from our tiny piece of solar driftwood into another galaxy,
what would we say?
We can send out pictures, symbols, chemical formulas or language.
The magic of music is a sign of consciousness that can be understood on far-flung worlds,
millions of light years from our horizon.
Music is an interstellar language from a highly insignificant planet
One of nine in our system,
which sails through time and space,
till the next one, 
the next
inevitable
Big
Bang..."

-Yello, "Solar Driftwood"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right on carmel! one must understand the unique magic that is music, and sets it apart from all other &#8220;static&#8221; art forms (painting, writing, etc) - music ONLY exists in Real Time; it is a process, not an object, that tunes us into the flow and rhythm of the Universe.</p>
<p>Vangelis (Blade Runner, Chariots of Fire, etc etc etc) often says that all music already exists in the memory of the Universe, and by playing it we are really just remembering it, acting as a conduit for it.</p>
<p>or as Dieter Meier (of the Swiss electronic duo Yello) put it:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Big Bang.<br />
The ultimate hero of low frequency.<br />
The divine intergalactical bass drum connecting the tribes of our solar system.<br />
If we could communicate from our tiny piece of solar driftwood into another galaxy,<br />
what would we say?<br />
We can send out pictures, symbols, chemical formulas or language.<br />
The magic of music is a sign of consciousness that can be understood on far-flung worlds,<br />
millions of light years from our horizon.<br />
Music is an interstellar language from a highly insignificant planet<br />
One of nine in our system,<br />
which sails through time and space,<br />
till the next one,<br />
the next<br />
inevitable<br />
Big<br />
Bang&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>-Yello, &#8220;Solar Driftwood&#8221;</p>
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